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Destinyy · May 16, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I am putting this in the farming section because it's discussing abuild that is 99% used for farming...

Been playing 55 a lot lately, and I have been wondering; where did the build/concept/idea come from? Who started it? Did Anet code the monk skills with it in mind?

My thoughts wander towards the latter, Anet coded it... I mean, think about it... -50 Cesta, what would you use this for other than 55ing? seriously, it's stats are shit!!! All the key 55ing skills are to be found in prophecies as well, where u get the -50 Cesta.

I strongly doubt some bright spark out there came up with this build while playing the game, altho it is a possibility.

So what are your thoughts on the matter? How do you think it started?

Better yet!!! Do you have any proof of the origins of the build???

Rainbird · May 16, 2007, 11:09 AM // 11:09

I'm pretty sure that it was made by someone in the community.
And besides, all the low lvl items are crappy, this one just happened to have -50 hp, I don't think it was intended for farming.
The 55 is just one of many cookie cutter builds out there, and they all show creativity in the community.
ANet didn't code IWAY either.

- Hype Cronoz

Avoc · May 16, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

I'm too tired to do a search, but it was made by a dude. The -50hp cesta is an item you could use to hide health just like there are negative energy items you use to hide energy from mesmers.

G E A R S · May 16, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Why do you guys think the totem axe was added in prophecies by anet?

RebelHero · May 16, 2007, 11:25 AM // 11:25

the -50 hp cesta has top stats for a low level item (not taking the -50 hp in account). The idea has to have come from the community. Just brainstorming about regen is obvious, the less hp you have the more percentage of your total health you regen. So taking all Sup runes with Protective spirit makes you durable, adding regen makes you 'godlike'. I even think the -50 hp cesta was added later.

- Experimentation with Regen and lower HP
- Addition of PS to the mix
- -50hp Cesta
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55 monk

Roshi_ikkyu · May 16, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

a while ago I heard that the -50 grim was infact designed to assist necros.

The act of 55ing came about with a better understanding of the maths involved and the mechanics of the game. there slight almost trivial bits of information, like a certain spell firing off before the dmg is recieved, or the regen rate of another spell.

It most certainly wasn't coded by the devs, its the talent of the community and a single/few smart players. Just remember you can never invent a build; chances are someone is already using it. You just discover it.

Hunter 67 · May 16, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

ok... i dont post much but i think i hav to post for this issue. A few months ago i was linked to the earliest known thread for 55ing. Unfortunately i cannot remember who it was by but it included small vids and pics of evidence, also when 55ing started prot bond was used over PS. From memory the responses to this guide indicated that nothing like the 55 had been seen before.

damkel · May 16, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Jesterbot is the orginal creator.

His first build can be found here.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=357625

He then altered it so that it could be doable with a level 20 character by including the -50hp offhand item and 5 superior runes.

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=362793

Very interesting and well written guides.

Roshi_ikkyu · May 16, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by G E A R S

Why do you guys think the totem axe was added in prophecies by anet?

Because the Prophecies Campaign didn't have the concept of unique items. It was one of a bunch of uniques added, most likely to show some love to the older campaign.

Green Items were a solution to the lack of perfect items dropping in game, in game drops stats are always random. The only perfect items, before the later chapters were released, were from collectors and weaponsmiths. Instead of adding more collectors Anet added greens. Which always have the maximum number of modifiers and upgrades possible on the weapon type (Besides a few Noob island examples).

Calming the anger of players who couldn't get a perfect gold weapon to suite there builds, I once saw a perfect Smite monk staff going for 100k +trade. This was a few weeks into public GW release, so that price was charging $50 for a tank of gas in 1930.

Destinyy · May 16, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Cool Damkel!!!

I heard that the -50 cesta was added to the game after the 105 monk? do you know if this is true? Heard that peeps used to 105 until the discovered the -50 cesta

damkel · May 16, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

no the -50hp item was always there from the start. the 55hp monk came before the 105hp monk and any other builds. those two guides are the originals. enjoy.

damkel · May 16, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roshi_ikkyu

Because the Prophecies Campaign didn't have the concept of unique items. It was one of a bunch of uniques added, most likely to show some love to the older campaign.

Green Items were a solution to the lack of perfect items dropping in game, in game drops stats are always random. The only perfect items, before the later chapters were released, were from collectors and weaponsmiths. Instead of adding more collectors Anet added greens. Which always have the maximum number of modifiers and upgrades possible on the weapon type (Besides a few Noob island examples).

Calming the anger of players who couldn't get a perfect gold weapon to suite there builds, I once saw a perfect Smite monk staff going for 100k +trade. This was a few weeks into public GW release, so that price was charging $50 for a tank of gas in 1930.

The sorrows furnace update happened 1st, then the totem axe update. But it was for the same reasons that you stated above.

Destinyy · May 16, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Cool Damkel!!!

I heard that the -50 cesta was added to the game after the 105 monk? do you know if this is true? Heard that peeps used to 105 until the discovered the -50 cesta

OOOMMMGGG, Look at the prices of them RUNES back then!!!! WOW!!!!

agent of ascalon · May 16, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

I remember when you used protective BOND for it, so he isn't the creator, because he is using protective spirit. The original used the actual enchantment that didn't have to be reaplyd.

Destinyy · May 16, 2007, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Read the post Agent (the links that have been posted) he was using BOND!!!

agent of ascalon · May 16, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destinyy

Read the post Agent (the links that have been posted) he was using BOND!!!

Ahh, right, I checked the first post.

Evan montegarde · May 16, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Yeah, the original used protective bond and 105 HP at first until the -50 grim cesta was discovered...iirc it first surfaced to the public sometime in summer 2005. That's the reason protective bond is such a useless skill now, it didn't subtract energy at first but ANET nerfed it to prevent monk farming, thankfully they didn't nerf Protective Spirit when that came into use.

milan · May 16, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

That's not quite correct Evan. Protective Bond used to take away energy however the key to the build and indeed most likely one of the main reasons attribute refund points were removed - was to enter a zone with 16 prot and a +1 20% prot item and cast prot bond until you had it down to -1 energy per hit, then switch your attribute and weapons around to make it useful for the farm.

Evan montegarde · May 16, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Ah yeah you're right, I forgot that but now I do remember getting frustrated at casting it like 10 times and never having it work

ca_aok · May 16, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

The original "Idea" behind the 55 came from a contest.... held on Guru I believe. The contest was to design a build that could farm the underworld. One of the entrants decided to use the concept of Aura of the Lich along with some healing spells to attempt to stay alive. The problem, of course, was that 50% damage reduction wasn't enough for the UW. So someone came up with the Prot Bond/Spirit concept and a new build was born. That thread was merely putting the new build in a topic of its own.